But in my opinion if it wasn't for Hal there wouldn't be CTE. Therefore a cue ball has 360 ticks and an object ball has 360 ticks at their respective circumferences. pj chgo . . Well, It looks like the moderators moved the "How to Aim Pool Shots (HAPS)" thread to the "Aiming Conversation" forum. . There is no one on the planet who does not use an aiming system - all pool players started out using a system. It's like DNA, do what comes. "Hal" Houle, age 82, passed away on May 29, 2014. . . That "7 fractions" stuff is total BALONEY and I have no idea where that got pulled out of. I do have a slight background as I have had some interaction with some of the CTE names. I have shown Hal Houle's quarters system to APA 3s and 4s and watched them start making shots way above their skill level. He was always experimenting with aiming systems and knowledge he acquired over the years from. Stan has worked for years on developing CTE/Pro One and that is. In another pool forum they have discussed for at least thirty pages of threads, Hal Houle's aiming system. . Think About It. It is looked upon as extrordinary, but it is a duplicate. you read his posts and you know he doesn't have a clear understanding about these pivot systems and he keeps putting his foot in his mouth. To read the pool playing tutorial for the Hal Houle Point and Pivot System, click the link to go on to the full pool playing tips article. The quality was amazing and I can’t wait to take pics in these two piece sets. Rodney Morris - portions of the object ball - from a personal interview with him in 2003 - no idea about currently. I think asking someone about contact points would be like asking them the answer to x + y = 4. and others who teach these things their due. Was great to hear his stories. . 5railkick said: I read on the other forum that Hal uses a 2 angle method to aim every shot. Hal Houle, the person I will call the father of all this, had many many many variations and systems. First he told me to forget. By: Search Advanced search…I'm grateful for you Stan and for Hal houle. Recently, I've started playing more and. SHISHKABOB is similar to CTE in that there are 3 spots to aim at like CTE. you have nothing to lose. Hal Houle had ways of explaining and doing it and we definitely know where you're coming from when his name is mentioned. Harold G. Aiming ConversationThe time you spent with me practicing in your booth at the tournament was impressionable for me. He truly was one of a kind who made pool his lifetime achievement in so many ways. Just reading the 1st chapter brings back so many memories of my teachings with Hal. Just sayin'. #2. you have nothing to lose. . . Aiming ConversationStan's Truth series illuminates the secrets of CTE that Hal Houle purposefully failed to provide when he first discussed this aiming system. However Hal Houle is AWESOME and so is Ron Vitello. Hey everyone, New guy here. When you slip stroke, you are essentially stopping the cue during the back stroke, and quickly sliding your hand back further on the cue, grabbing the cue. Basic aiming systems “aiming” FAQ page on my website. . What is it exactly? How is it used in. every top player uses the same pro aiming system. Search titles only. I personally used it for several years before Hal taught me a version of CTE. I hope it does not relate to fraction aiming because I don't feel comfortable with that. ) CTE originated from Hal Houle. S. There are literally a zillion possible shots on a 5,000 square inch playing surface. . Hal Houle developed over 20 aiming systems that had nothing to do with contact points or fractions. Began instructing pool in 1945. It's the method, not the final position. It's great that Stan has been able to get CTE even farther. #4. Hal Houle definitely made life easier for the aiming process of pocketing balls. Both of these men are right. Includes; pocketing, caroms, single rail banks, double rail banks, 2, 3, and 4 rail banks, and double. View more. By: Search Advanced search…We all need to practice our aiming as much as possible - that's how we get good at it. from Hal Houle: There are only 3 angles for any shot, on any size table. Barbara Houle. Apparently he had many aiming systems. Hals's version started with an "inside cue tip" placement on the CB aiming to the same three spots on the OB as this guy and then pivoting back to center. If anyone would like to see the Contact and Pivot aiming or any of the Hal Houle systems that I know,(small ball, 3 lines, points of light, stick aiming, etc. Hal Houle Point and Pivot System by Billiards Forum Editor's Desk | Sep 30, 2014 | Aiming and Execution Tutorials for Billiards New Post - Hal Houle Point and Pivot SystemA new post has been published titled "Hal Houle Point and Pivot System". The common fractional-ball aiming system, sometimes referred to as Hal Houle’s 3-angle system. Would anyone who was taught by Hal,or have any stories they would like to share about the man Hal Houle, and give us. By: Search Advanced search…Search titles only. The main reason why CTE is COMPLETE BULLSHIT (and, I’m sure, made up as somebody’s joke to show how dumb people are), is that there’s no discussion in it. :grin-square: Perhaps the video will be large enough to honor Hal Houle for what he created. Mr. go! the ones i seen confused me, im making big leaps in my pool game this yr, so why not take it further if i can and actually learn something lolI thought I'd throw out a little check I use to very accurately find A or C on the OB, especially the thin ones. Once he showed me which bulb and where on the object ball, it magically went in the hole. Jul 25, 2005. Hal Houle/Family I think Hal is and was a great teacher- I have only learned over the phone- his cte stuff. Silver Member. Even then, the adjustment is minimal. There are some DVDs on the subject. I don't know why and frankly I. . way I aim is I am alway shooting cue ball center but I am using the edge of the shaft. Ask The InstructorIt's a useless question, no one knows. The methods that Hal Houle teaches are the most exact and precise ways to aim that I have ever seen. Instruction & Ask the pros. If you, as a pool enthusiast and player are interested in improving your game by becoming proficient with CTE (Center To Edge) Aiming, it won't be here. When I first learned of Hal Houle, I immediately sought him out because I heard he was a very knowledgeable man. By: Search Advanced search…In your best interpretation of a professional pool player or professional instructor, PLEASE DEFINE FEEL IN AIMING. Hal Houle figured it out over 70 years ago. . Hal, what he created, and those who followed will live forever. Eventually, I became his successor. I do have a slight background as I have had some interaction with some of the CTE names. It has NO 7 fractions along the face of the OB. points") with either edge of the OB is the simplest way to think of it, but you can use several combinations of the fourths on both balls to. I try to use the aim & pivot method which goes like aim with the cue stick somewhere aside of the cue ball center to the contact point or the edge of the object ball and then pivot (only with the back hand) to the middle of the cue ball. 5 years ago. I've always been eager to hear anything that Stan had to say, especially when it comes to pool. I just wanted to emphasize to some of the open minded around here that Houle was dead on the money with his diagnosis for this aiming thing and that old 'fraction thing' of Mosconi's has long been dead in the water. knows that I'm a proponent of Hal Houle. To Dave Segal for being so vocal about what. And I listened. . . Jan 20, 2013 #63 Patrick Johnson said:Some (mostly undercooked) food for thought about aiming system benefits for everybody. It was posted here about 6. If anyone would like to see the Contact and Pivot aiming or any of the Hal Houle systems that I know,(small ball, 3 lines, points of light, stick aiming, etc. Jan 16, 2020. It was posted here about 6. . 11, I show that these aims are equivalent to 3/4-, 1/2-, and 1/4-ball-hits and the 15- and 45° angles are not exact. cookie man AzB Silver Member. Aiming ConversationThanks to another member for sending a PM to me with this system he found on the internet called "Splitting The Difference". "Hal" Houle, age 82, passed away on May 29, 2014. . I've shot pool for a good portion of my life but never took it to the next level. He was always experimenting with aiming systems and knowledge he acquired over the years from. pj chgo . add another ball that can be used with. Army and was stationed in Germany during the Korean Conflict. SHISHKABOB is similar to CTE in that there are 3 spots to aim at like CTE. Efren: Oh, aim. that includes reyes, souquet, archer, ortman, bustamante, and on and on. The 15 - 30 - and 45. every top player uses the same pro aiming system. This includes; caroms, single rail banks, double rail banks, 1, 2, 3, and 4 rail banks, and double kiss banks. First he told me to forget everything I knew about shooting pool. Includes; pocketing, caroms, single rail banks, double rail banks, 2, 3, and 4 rail banks, and double. I am proficient at ghost ball and contact points, I just was looking into a system to double check my aim if I am uncertain. pj chgo . I have read a few CTE threads but not really posted much. View more. ) I will be more than happy. He has a beautiful 4 1/2 x 9 Diamond table and light. TATE AzB Gold Mensch. Some people do it automatically while others spend hours and many aiming systems trying to find it. I think Hal's latest way of describing it, the "3-point" version where. When I learned this from Hal over a decade ago, I started experimenting with a center of the CB placement pivoting to. Search titles only. Just very different ways of seeing the two balls,. Christopher lives on the same street as the following people: Roshelly Aviles · Susan M Heffelfinger · Anne E Vonneida · Hal Houle · Julia B Houle · Andrea J Partridge · David A Partridge · K Partridge · Sonia S Houle · Paula M Santos · Dana M Hackman · Trevor L Hackman · Scott Morgan · Mark E Barowski · Ann M Polukis · Michele M. I commented that, from my recollection, Hal Houle was a decent guy and had always been forthcoming in our prior discussions. Started playing in 1934. Silver Member. it's kinda funny though. HOULEHarold G. M is a visual aiming method. . Army and was stationed in Germany during the Korean Conflict. Instruction & Ask the pros. Most would say 2 + 2 = 4, others 1 + 3 = 4, 3 + 1 = 4 or 1. pj chgo . Search titles only. Mary Lou Houle 04/11/1930 - 11/21/2022Mary Lou Houle, resident of Toledo, Ohio, passed away November 21, 2022 at the age of 92. M is a visual aiming method. Back in Greenville SC for a few weeks and I am offering one on one lessons in my shop at my home on a 4 1/2 by 9 Diamond Pool table with 4 3/8 pockets and. Basic aiming systems Wondering if anyone has a story involving Hal Mix (RIP). It has NEVER been enforced on those members who have free reign to say whatever they want negatively or disparagingly about Hal Houle, Stan Shuffett, CTE, Shishkabob, and students and usersJUST FINISHED reading mosconis autobiography for the tenth time. Includes; pocketing, caroms, single rail banks, double rail banks, 2, 3, and 4 rail banks, and double. 23 years ago Hal Houle threw out a claim and teaser on an early internet group called. 0. S. For 13 years I have been on a mission to solve Center to Edge and I have accomplished what I set out to do. pj chgoInstruction & Ask the pros. They're very similar with the exception of starting out with an inside of center alignment to parts of the OB and then pivoting back to CCB with Shish. Anyone who's watched me, talked to me on these boards, etc. In another pool forum they have discussed for at least thirty pages of threads, Hal Houle's aiming system. Stan Shuffett, a pool player and instructor from Kentucky, took deep interest in CTE and refined it to his own system known as CTE Pro/One. Stan and Landon Shuffett took an interest in Hal's CTE and they both met and studied with Hal. S. Anyone that wants to give this an honest try, please do so and report back to this post. I decided last winter to turn myself into an Open caliber. cte doubters and all the other ways to make a ball WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE to. I am so glad Hal is finally starting to get some if the respect he do rightfully deserves. By: Search Advanced search…Search titles only. It is looked upon as extrordinary, but it is a duplicate of the Sailor's system only much less detailed and much less comprehensive. as long as the thread stays alive, and you post. I wish I would have known him back when he and I were younger. If there were 10 Commandments of CTE this would be the first one. Much to what I assume will be the chagrin of the vocal CTE guys, Hal Houle himself said this in his infamous original 3-angle document. I found you to have searched out from Hal Houle(my friend and mentor) along with several others and tried to combine their theories on aiming into one nice system of teaching aiming. This is a no english system but with back hand english there is very little correction. He never charged for lessons, often given over the phone. He has posted his phone number -- the new one in Pennsylvania (I think). . . EXACTLY WHAT is the Supposed Phenomenon for Center to Edge 'Aiming'. & Mrs. I wasn't bugged by the endless arguments on RSB 14 years ago over aiming, I simply skipped them. It's not, every combination of perception, left or right cut, sweep or pivot direction, etc,,,, will result in the same. I don't understand half of Spidey's post but I compeletly understand what he means. By: Search Advanced search…Colin Colenso, I'm reposting these pictures from the "mathematical aiming system" thread you created, because they are incredibly relevant to resolving the pivot system arguments. No personal. ) For this column I've also spoken to BCA instructor Tom Simpson, who graciously put me in contact with Houle. The following was passed on to me by someone who was there in the loop and a close friend of Hal. you have nothing to lose. I've always been eager to hear anything that Stan had to say, especially when it comes to pool. Conversely I have shown aiming systems to some good players and had them give me a confused look and decide that they didn't want to bother with it EVEN IF they agreed that it might help them. Here's a graphic and basic. He was born on November 4, 1931 in Darby, Pennsylvania. 1434. He ran with Jimmy Moore, I think. The idea behind the slip stroke is minimizing the length that your cue moves on the back stroke. CENTER, 1/2 WAY BETWEEN CENTER AND EDGE, AND EDGE. Once you become trained to see nothing but those 3 lines and completely eliminate CONTACT POINTS strung across the OB and CB to link. . Would you, Mike Howerton, head honcho of AZ Billiards and of sound body and mind (most of the time). Hal called me one day out of the blue back in the late 90's. hal houle. ALL of Hal Houle's systems had the exact same foundation. i do not charge you for anything, it is simple enough that i can teach you over the phone. I have played around with CTE for ~ 2 years. Most would say 2 + 2 = 4, others 1 + 3 = 4, 3 + 1 = 4 or 1. Also let me know if you disagree with any of the existing. Joey: But what is your system to aim? Efren: I aim for pocket. "Your" system exists because of the efforts of Hal Houle to bring the concept of ball to ball objective aiming systems into mainstream pool instruction. Hal Houle's Aiming Cyrus Jackson 6 videos 165 views Last updated on Jan 28, 2022 Play all Shuffle 1 2:02 1 Position, 10 Shots Sean Higgins • 5. Directly quoting Mr. " Meeting Hal made me addicted to information. To Freddie Agnir and others for spending time on the table showing what you learned from Hal and being willing to help. From the very first ball i. The one we've heard about here is the. Both of these men have spent a lot of time figuring out alternative ways to line up to the shot. Hal Houle knew Greenleaf and probably Fez. He has many system so make sure it is the wright one before you try to make a joke out of him. All of which are very interesting and Ive been mixing and matching depending on the shot but for easy shots, I still use the ghostball system. The black lines represent the Center-to-Edge aim and the resultant undercutting that would result. 5 = 4. Stan's previous occupation was that of a teacher and he is a natural at teaching pool. In 2002 I got a phone call from Bob Johnson, one of my Denver, Colorado pool buddies. poolguppy AzB Silver Member. I watched all dvds I listed above and they are some good and some bad. I believe Fez, Jimmy, and Ralph Greenleaf, were partners. When I first started on the various forums nearly. As per Hal Houle, CTE DOES NOT work with the vision center directly over the actual shot line, or NISL as Stan describes it. He contacted many people simply to give them a tip on aiming, the stroke, or other subjects. Search titles only. " Hal's greatest joy was. Condolences to his wife and family. I think asking someone about contact points would be like asking them the answer to x + y = 4. . Nov 12, 2019 - Answers to frequently-asked questions about Hal Houle's 3-angle aiming system. I have played around with CTE for ~ 2 years. The first time started 26 years ago with Hal Houle and then those who followed. He started all of his destruction of aiming systems, Hal Houle, CTE, etc. Hal Houle and I talked many times over the past few years and I regret not having the urge to learn more about CTE from him. H. A. And by honest try, I mean give it at least 10 tries, hopefully. By: Search Advanced search…Hal Houle developed over 20 aiming systems that had nothing to do with contact points or fractions. Joey: You know, Hal Houle's center to edge aiming system? Efren: Oh, my english. . I would telephone every few months checking in with him or he would call me and we would talk. These guys want to act like it's supposed to be some magical event that Stan claims makes the ball. (Houle's memory is somewhat hazy on the point. halhoule AzB Silver Member. Adored wife of the late Harold "Hal" Houle. What's this fixation with aiming? It's a personal thing. Honestly no matter what "system" you use if you do not have a consistent stroke, a straight stroke, and good fundamentals, the want to get better, and. . . Aiming ConversationHal Houle (rhymes with pool) gave his knowledge free of charge and welcomed anyone to call him at any time to learn more about his aiming systems. Search titles only. So if you simply looked at a shot as a 3/4 cover which I think is about 15 degrees then you could adjust a little to the right or left and see if you are on. The Sailor's aiming system, which I detail in my book, is to me the only accurate way to aim at a pool ball. S. Hal Houle learned that through CTE a player can quickly tap into the purity of aiming. A. Just reading the 1st chapter brings back so many memories of my teachings with Hal. Align the the cue about 1/2 tip off center from the cue ball. ) For this column I've also spoken to BCA instructor Tom Simpson, who graciously put me in contact with Houle. . Silver Member. Was great to hear his stories. Hal told me to stop before I got into that trench. This is an EXACT aim. EVER allow Fast Larry to post on AZ under his name with your consent, approval, and blessing from now until the day you leave AZ or. take the time go to the table and try it someone suggested. Started playing in 1934. . By: Search Advanced search…Instruction & Ask the pros. . Search titles only. On the first occasion I spoke to him for a while, and then I played on the adjacent table while he schooled a couple people for several hours. Aiming ConversationAs per Hal Houle, CTE DOES NOT work with the vision center directly over the actual shot line, or NISL as Stan describes it. Hugo Houle: Born 27 September 1990 (age 33) Sainte-Perpétue, Canada: Height: 1. Hal Houle, the person I will call the father of all this, had many many many variations and systems. Search titles only. It's reduced so much that it literally becomes point and shoot with no. Maybe it was already a given between us and we worked on other things. Well beyond the life of the lemming tribe. He has a beautiful 4 1/2 x 9 Diamond table and light. I watched all dvds I listed above and they are some good and some bad. M is aiming by the numbers. . Gulfport, Mississippi. . May 1, 2023 #254 Dan White said: I think CTE discussion is more interesting that what color chalk do you use or which cue maker screwed somebody over this week, lol. Below are portions of testimonials about an aiming system from one particular poster. Several thousand players have been trained and over 200 new instructors produced since 1995 through the National Billiard Academy. I want to credit Hal rightly so don't confuse Houle's Pivot Aim with his controversial fractions and degrees aim system. S. He has a beautiful 4 1/2 x 9 Diamond table and light. ". Although, like San Jose Dick, the math is over my head and the physics lingo wrecks my game because I am thinking about when I play, I KNOW that there is merit to these systems and I will rejoice when the math and science guys figure it out and give people like Hal Houle and Ron V. I use Hal Houle's "3 aim line" method, which I use CTE as a double check to see if I'm aligned right. instead of you nose fitting up into the bridge of the frame - by turning. . Subsequent phone calls continued to develop a hunger for more information about CTE and as Hal's health continued to decline, Stan was forced to do his own study on CTE. Yeah, I know - I know, if Hal did something it MUST be bogus and witchcraft. Literally the week before Hal sought me out I spent several hours on the table with my friend Chris McDaniel working on a. There's only the center of the OB, the 1/4 or 3/4, and the edge. M is aiming by the numbers. My loss for sure. Takes his three angles and makes aiming easier to teach. explanation, when you take a normal pair of glasses and set them upon a flat surface you will notice that there is a larger seeing surface below the BOWS than above, then notice that the BRIDGE of the FRAME is normally round. . Most errors in a stroke originate in the backstroke, and get amplified on the forward stroke. It is absolutely connected. By: Search Advanced search…Some of the personalities go back 15 years or more where we had the same disagreements about Hal Houle's "3 angles" fractional system on RSB. Hal Houle was without a doubt the greatest LATERAL THINKER in history when it came to POOL AIMING SYSTEMS! He developed over 20 aiming systems for pool and each one was way OUTSIDE THE BOX VISUALLY and in PERFORMANCE. If there were 10. Thankfully, Hal sent a private email. 4. . Then after I got home. side (plus "real thin") no matter how you do it. Hal said he could probably teach me his aiming system in 15 minutes. . 5 = 4. Inventor: Elephant Practice Balls and Beautiful Balls ® (used on ESPN) Inventor: The Stroke Groover®Search titles only. He retired from Ottawa Hills Memorial Park after over 20 years as an "Underground Condominium Salesman. I am proficient at ghost ball and contact points, I just was looking into a system to double check my aim if I am uncertain. Because Hal Houle and Stan Shuffett created them Click to expand. When you’re two steps ahead, you’re a crackpot. But he said he understood the concept, so I gave him the okay. Here's another juicy secret I call Pivot Aim, used by Johnny Archer and Efren Reyes, and taught by me, Hal Houle and others to an elite few before this article. ) A: I studied aiming systems under Hal Houle, who invented many aiming system variants. It occurred to me the newer members might not know who Hal Houle was. Hal is 83 and has forgotten more about pool than I will ever know. His name has been on and off fourms for years. To Hal Houle for seeking me out in Denver and introducing me to aiming systems. Search titles only. By: Search Advanced search…That obviously changes the point of contact along the NISL, which in turn results in a different angle after contact. Landon Shuffett vs Earl Strickland in the Diamond 10-Ball 10 Foo…The Hal Houle Point and Pivot system is a billiard aiming system that uses the geometry, layout, and design of a pool table, as well as some common assumptions. But, center-to-edge aiming is only one part. If the dimensions are other than 2x1, logically, then CTE will no longer work. Freddie <~~~ like Farmer’s Insurance . I was very lucky yesterday to spend a day visiting Hal Houle. Both are deadly ways to pocket balls, contrary to what has been claimed by a small group for 25 years on multiple pool forums but have found a home on this forum since 2003. . systems that he currently endorses. . If the dimensions are other than 2x1, logically, then CTE will no longer work. Just very different ways of seeing the two balls,. Instruction & Ask the pros. A few are not pleasant from those that do not. add another ball that can be used with. The Sport Palace was a unique place for sure. . Why are you so obsessed with me, PJ?RIP Mr Houle Dave. Harold Houle, now 85, said the time he spent with Greenleaf came during the late 1940s, or possibly in 1950. But does anyone have a diagram or can at least explain simply what the. The part that confuse me is why is there. GaryB AzB Silver Member. JoeyA, Always glad to share my knowledge with those who sincerely want to learn the game. FYI, I just updated my online glossary of pool and billiards terms and phrases. My goal, to which I am willing to dedicate a good amount towards, is to promote the aiming systems of Hal Houle and those who teach them. Forum omniscient ones scoffed, belittled, and beat it into the ground mainly. You came to aiming systems because of all the discussion and development of systems that Hal developed. Hal is no longer with us, but fortunately, he showed. Nothing any more complicated than those 3 lines. He drew in 3D the theory of rotating spheres. Thank you thank you thank you. 5 + 2.